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looks like a guy running from the police got shot and they are calling it murder?.. if the victim had followed police orders instead of running would he be alive today?..

Under American jurisprudence there is only one, ONE, criterion for employing deadly force against another human being: (I used to take this test once a year!) "Imminent danger of death or great bodily injury to me or a person under my protection."

A guy running away from a traffic stop does not qualify as a threat. This was an execution. It was very hard to watch. I won't watch it again.

Talbot

Talbot, thanks for your reply, but do you think he would be alive today if he had not run?

sure seems like murder to me. certainly manslaughter. in that situation running from the law is not a crime that warrants a death sentence.

and why, oh why did it have to be a white cop shooting a black man????? race relations are bad enough as it is w/o some trigger happy cop using poor judgement.

yeah planet - I have to agree with you. What a totally stupid thing to do.

There are two kinds of people who do that - 1) cherrys - guys who think they have to shoot someone or be in combat to pass the BIG test, and 2) combat guys - who haven't been retrained to the point where they can see misdemeanor crimes as chickenshit rather than capital crimes!

Frankly - in combat - you better think that way if you wish to come home - mozambique, head shots etc. But in policing - my God - you serve the people! This guy was no threat top the people nor to the cop.

This couldn't have been worse. Politically? Morally? I can't find any good side to this. You really just don't want to shoot people! Trust me on this!

Talbot

I agree with you, it looks like murder, but could have been avoided.. I know I would not have run, .. also, we are not putting ourselves into the mindset of the police officer, under extreme stressful conditions.. the deadly force used is what makes it a murder, should have just winged him or pursued him, but his emotions got the best of him..and he used bad judgement.. I am grateful for the people that take on the challenge of being a law officer.. I know I could not deal with the stress of it..

ya know dayne....that "running" part is such a non issue in all of this for me.

of course he SHOULDN'T have ran. and yeah, likely he wouldn't have been gunned down. but i hate to see that part of the equation even come up or enter into this.

it's pretty clear...the cop used deadly force where none was justified or required. there's just no excuse for that.

and i feel truly bad that others in law enforcement might face consequences for this cop's mistake. that's the fukked up world we live in today.

and when the cop moved evidence ... picked up something off the ground, and threw it closer to the victim, it sealed his fate.. if he would not have done that I would have possibly given him benefit of the doubt.. the cop looked in better physical condition than the runner, wonder why he did not give chase?..

That cop should never have been allowed a uniform. What I see when watching that video is MURDER. When and if you are armed with a firearm you have a responsibility to society. I don't care if you are a cop or citizen. you should be responsible enough to train yourself when and when not to pull the trigger! A firearm is a DEADLY weapon and common sense should dictate that when you point that weapon at someone and pull the trigger you are using deadly force and someone is going to die. IMO this video is damning evidence and warrants an investigation. pending the outcome of that investigation a bill or no bill trial should be initiated. This officer really makes that entire city police department look bad. IMO a peace officer should be scrupulously vetted and apparently that department failed their officers BADLY!

We used to call them 'peace officers.' If you are bored and need something to do, I've addressed this issue in my commentary about Waco.

http://archive.lewrockwell.com/peirce/peirce64.html

Talbot

Welcome to the liberal communist state known as, formerly the United States of America.

This shooting was wrong. So will be... All the shootings to follow in the the battle of free will over all men...

In the mean time lets just turn this into a racial issue... to further divide this real estate. NAZI RULE IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.

Come on boys, I'm not hiding. Just come and and get us. Death is easy... Living under all this against God.

Some are trying to say this is a racial issue. WTF?

I have no malice against any colors or sexual orientation or truly peaceful religious people or even opposing viewpoints.

But don't tread on my friends.

I was really dismayed to see that video. True, the suspect should not have run. Same as Michael Brown and Eric Garner, both would be alive right now if they hadn't resisted arrest. The same is probably true here, the reports I've seen indicate there was a scuffle, and the video shows the suspect definitely ran. Bad idea.

That said, the officer had absolutely no reason to shoot whatsoever. He had is car, name, drivers license, let him run, pick him up later. I've seen a couple of professional law enforcement types interviewed, they agreed, the officer had no reason to fire. The police procedure is basically the same as most states' "Stand your ground" laws work. You do not shoot someone in the back. If an assailant is threatening you in a Stand your ground state, the instant he turns around and walks or runs away, you no longer have the option of claiming self defense or using the stand your ground law. Same for police work. If a suspect turns and runs, even if he has already attacked the officer, shooting the suspect in the back is not acceptable.

Murder? Sorry but I really don't think so, that implies premeditation. He didn't have time to think it over and plan it. Manslaughter, definitely. Should he do prison time? Judging by the video I saw, lots of it. The rest of his life preferably.

The stop was over a broken tail light. If he didn't have an existing warrant, that could have been a simple written or verbal warning. The warrant for unpaid child support (I think that's what it was) was hanging over his head and he knew it so he ran. Bad idea. But the shooting was even worse, totally unjustified.

The police department handled it well, he was immediately fired, arrested, (and held without bond) and the investigation handed over to an outside agency. Good job on the local police department. I saw the brother's lawyers interviewed, they were calm and logical, handled it very well, without the animosity shown in other recent cases. If I remember it correctly they even said they don't see this as an indication all cops are bad, just a few rotten apples here and there.

Of course Sharpton will be all over it. Hopefully the family will tell him to hit the road, they already told the media to stay away, they don't want it to turn into a circus. Good for them. I guess we'll see.

The one thing I see is we still don't have all the evidence, I think we're probably jumping the gun but I still think judging by what I saw on the video, there was no reason foe the officer to fire. It may be and probably is another case of resisting arrest, but still no reason for the shooting. That's my opinion so far...

Not sure they can get Murder 1 Bob although I'd be for it. Like several have mentioned - that required premeditation. This sort of thing is usually M2 or manslaughter but I'm sure not buying the latter.

however - by the eighth shot I'm willing to say M1 because he'd seen the guy get hit - people often fail to fall down immediately when you shoot them - particularly with a pistol - those are the small change of the gun world. But...this cop had to know as so many shooters do know - the man who was shot will go down - it takes a minute for his body to collate the damage and get past the adrenaline.

Given that he didn't need to shoot at all - I'm willing to consider premeditation on this one -just not sure a jury will. After the first few hits he knew damn well what he was doing. (what I've read stated 4 hits to the body and one to the ear).

Talbot

Very interesting Thread and Posts...

I have been away and never saw or even heard of this "event". But .. it all seems to clearly demonstrate that the "Police Forces" are no longer policing. They have been murdering for quite some time now. They have been placed upon paid leave and then after they have been investigated and "found" to have done nothing wrong by their "own" then they are touted often enough as Heroes ... The NeoAmerican Heroes that young children aspire to become ... if they do not wish to be a murdering Drone Operator.

The Police have not only become "militarised" but also "Murderized". They have lowered their recruitment standards that the IQ level has plunged and the "Career" opportunties seem to draw sociopathic and psychopathic scum who have no intention whatsoever of "serving" the public unless it is on a platter for the laughingly called "elites" to dine upon. The Race issue ... yes . The pitting of cops against the General Public ... yes. The conditioning of the masses to accept their overt slaughter ... yes.

To be a Dinosaur lamenting approaching extinction ... yes. We are all this in some ways or another. Soon it will be a choice or roaring and resisting or lying down and whimpering. The moment to stop this Evil Process is now way past.
DUTY RESPONSIBILITY HONOUR RIGHT ACTION ......TO LIVE WELL AND TO DIE WELL