General Chat (Non-Music-Related)

No mention of Racism, although he himself depicted his racism on his Face Book page, no mention of his Gaystapo hatred towards straights, although he mentioned it himself on his Face Book page, little about him hoping to begin a race war (Just as well that he leaves that to the pros like obama) , but that was also played down or not mentioned.

He didn't look like the son barack could have had, he was simply a product of the bad influence of a talking gun that convinced him to murder people. (Talking guns are a menace to society ) Now some of Pravda are even coming to his defense making up excuses for his behavior and searching for other places to lay the blame, such as: "According to ABC News, he claimed he had “suffered racial discrimination, sexual harassment and bullying at work,” that he had “been attacked by black men and white females,” and that he had been “attacked for being a gay, black man.”
Oh my goodness, this poor depraved black pervert had every right to kill the evil white people!! No, that couldn't have been his motivation, if it were he would have been wearing a "Kill Whitey" T shirt.

I forget, did Pravda or POTUS make excuses for the cops that killed those thugs in self defense? I know they have made excuses for every black felon thug that was ever killed by a police officer in the line of duty. In fact, they even instigated riots on their behalf and still hold holidays to honor their dead black thugs and criminals. I'm sure they will get around to making villains of the victims soon enough. How about taking all the guns from blacks and giving them to babies in the womb? They most certainly need them for protection against PP.
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Black, Gay Reporter Murders Straight, White Journalists Media Blame the Gun
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... e-the-gun/

by Ben Shapiro26 Aug 20150
On Wednesday, America met a deeply evil human being: Vester Lee Flanagan II, also known as reporter Bryce Williams.

Williams murdered two people while they were live on air on WDBJ in Virginia: reporter Alison Parker, and cameraman Adam Ward. After the murders, he went on the run – and while he was on the run, he tweeted out his rationale for the killings, accusing Parker of making “racist comments” and Ward of going “to hr on me after working with me one time!!!” He then posted video to his Facebook and Twitter pages of himself shooting both at point-blank range.

Williams is black. Parker and Ward were white.

Williams is gay. Parker and Ward were straight.

None of which would be relevant, except that Williams specifically cited his identity as a factor in the killings. In a 23-page rambling letter sent to ABC News, Williams wrote that the Charleston church shooting in June should have provoked a race war: “Why did I do it? I put a deposit for a gun on 6/19/15. The Church shooting in Charleston happened on 6/17/15…What sent me over the top was the church shooting…You want a race war (deleted)? BRING IT THEN YOU WHITE …(deleted)!!!” According to ABC News, he claimed he had “suffered racial discrimination, sexual harassment and bullying at work,” that he had “been attacked by black men and white females,” and that he had been “attacked for being a gay, black man.”

Williams marinated in his self-appointed victimhood status. He filed a lawsuit against his Tallahassee, Florida employer, WTWC – a lawsuit settled out of court. He filed a complaint with the with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission against WDBJ after his firing – a complaint the EEOC dismissed. According to WDBJ station manager Jeff Marks, Williams was “an unhappy man” with a “reputation as someone who had been difficult to work with… looking out for people to say things that he could take offense to.”

Had a white straight man killed a black gay man, released first-person tape of the shooting, and then unleashed a manifesto about being victimized by affirmative action and anti-religious bigotry from homosexuals, the media would never stop covering the story. They’d be eager to report that shooter’s motives with all the attendant politically correct hullaballoo about the racism and homophobia of the United States more broadly. We would hear about white supremacy (reprehensible Black Lives Matter leader Deray McKesson actually jumped the gun, thinking the shooter was white, and tweeted, “Whiteness will explain away nearly anything”).

We would hear excoriations of the Republican presidential candidates for their failures to stand with the Black Lives Matter movement–and their opposition to same-sex marriage. In similar circumstances, the entire political and media establishment determined that the Confederate flag was somehow to blame for Dylan Storm Roof’s brutal slaying of nine people at a historically black church; just last week, the media tried to blame Donald Trump’s anti-immigration stance for two thugs beating up a Hispanic homeless man in Boston.

But Bryce Williams’ self-described victim status, even while murdering innocents, will merit no rethinking of the divisive politics in which he apparently bathed. We won’t have a conversation about whether pushing a perennial picture of victimhood for blacks and gays in the most black-friendly, gay-friendly country on the planet could drive supposed victims to violence. We won’t talk about whether the Democratic Party’s takeover by the Black Lives Matter crew has encouraged some people to believe that only black lives matter, since only black lives are in danger – and even then, only some black lives matter, namely those killed by white people. Instead, we will be assured that Bryce Williams is an outlier by the same people who blamed Sarah Palin for Jared Lee Loughner shooting Gabrielle Giffords.

It is true that statistical outliers should not be used to club entire movements into submission. But leftists protesting at the linkage between Williams and their favored political causes have no ground on which to stand – they consistently blame conservatives for outlier events with no statistical basis. Moreover, Williams’ violence is part of a larger trend, not of black men killing white people (that still happens disproportionately, but the numbers are down), but of black men using supposed American racism as a rationale for violence more generally, and of gay people using supposed American homophobia as a rationale for violation of others’ rights.

Some in the media are actually going beyond delinking Williams from his politics – they’re defending Williams’ perverse worldview, questioning whether evil, racist, homophobic America created him. Columnist WonderWomanist at Gawker wrote, “I can understand him being frustrated with racial discrimination at his job but it was not worth throwing his life over… RIP to the victims even though they may have been racist.”

Kay Steiger at ThinkProgress took Williams’ self-serving narrative at face value: “One part of the document included the phrase ‘Suicide Note for Friends and Family’ and detailed discrimination he experienced as a gay, black man.”

But most of the the media will swivel to gun control, following the lead of the White House and Hillary Clinton, both of whom called for heavier gun control laws – even as both push for the release of criminals from prisons, a crackdown on law enforcement, and a racially divisive narrative of the country pitting black against white, all for political gain.

All of these policies will do nothing to stop Bryce Williamses — in fact, they will make Bryce Williamses more common. Teaching Americans that they aren’t victims would be a great way of battling evil – most victims aren’t evil, but virtually all evil people think they are victims, and thus justify their violence. But teaching Americans that they aren’t victims would undercut the Democratic message that all minorities are victims, and thus require bigger government. And that message, and its attendant political success, must take precedence over the building of a more inclusive, more understanding country.

if he was terminated from his gig there, because of his inability to perform his job duties satisfactorially , I wonder if the what appears to be 100% white caucasian staff there offered him a position in which he was capable of performing , maybe a cameraman, or traffic reporter?.. it looks like they wanted to keep the station crew lily white if you ask me.. he probably was short changed, but he did the wrong thing murdering innocent people..

PLAY the RACE CARD, dayne. That makes you a racist, by the way...

All well and good Dane. I guess that every time a man of any color as opposed to white is racist in every instance. The racist is the first to play the race card. How about the other job that he lost because of his incompetence? Were they all racist also? How about all the hate propaganda they found in his apartment? Did someone force him to decorate his walls with it? Was that truly because of someone else?

A man accepts evil in his mind because he chooses to accept it. A man can either reject or accept evil. A man has rule over his own thoughts. He can either nourish the good, or he can nourish the evil that enters his mind. A mans thoughts are his own to control. All this pissing and moaning over thugs and career criminals are from those with like minds. There is nothing noble about it. Wake up and smell the roses. Stop defending evil and making excuses for it then see it for what it is.

with all due respect, and I do greatly appreciate your work as a musician, try telling the schizophrenic members of our planet if they can indeed control their thoughts?.. with medication maybe.. kinda like saying, a person afflicted with cancer, could just mentally command the cancer to leave their body, by telling it to go away..

" try telling the schizophrenic members of our planet if they can indeed control their thoughts"

I can't argue with that one, but that is a very small percentage of the population, if you exclude the liberals

I was trying to make the point that the murder might have been more about the shooter being mentally ill , rather than racist motive, ..that's all.. I think I do recall the shooter saying something about the white woman had made a racist remark to him in the past.. or at least in his possibly schizo mind he thought she did??

Again you make a very good point. In fact, I found this article about it.

The inoffensive everyday phrases used by reporter Alison Parker that earned her a death sentence because Flanagan deemed them 'racist'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... acist.html

* Parker used phrases like 'swinging' and 'field' while she interned at WDBJ
* Colleagues said they were commonplace, but Flanagan thought otherwise
* Staff said his assumptions were 'crazy' and he was a 'nightmare' coworker
* When someone brought a watermelon to work, he thought that was racist
* He believed the fruit was placed in a 'strategic location' to harass him

By Wills Robinson For Dailymail.com

Published: 01:10 EST, 28 August 2015 | Updated: 06:11 EST, 28 August 2015


Innocuous phrases Alison Parker used every day to describe her job may have led to her death, simply because Vester Lee Flanagan thought they were racist.

The 24-year-old TV reporter who was shot and killed by the disgruntled ex-employee on Wednesday somehow angered him by using terms like 'swinging' by an address or going out into the 'field' while she was an intern at WDBJ.

It sheds further light on the murderer's erratic behavior, details of which have emerged since he callously gunned down Parker and cameraman Adam Ward live on breakfast TV.

Flanagan, 41, clashed repeatedly with photojournalists, belittling them in public and intimidating them with his aggressive and violent temper, before he was fired in 2013.

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Alison Parker somehow angered Vester Lee Flanagan by using terms like 'swinging' by an address or going out into the 'field' while she was an intern at WDBJ. The gunman believed they were racist and led to him filing a complaint against her in 2012

But now colleagues have revealed his assumptions were 'crazy' and even described one occasion where he believed someone bringing a watermelon in for fellow staff was a racist joke directed at him.

They were included in a complaint filed by Flanagan while Parker was working at the Roanoke, Virginia, station in 2012.

The report, seen by the New York Post, that was written by news editor Greg Baldwin read: 'One was something about 'swinging' by some place; the other was out in the 'field'.'

Parker, who was referred to by her middle name as Bailey in the documents, was never disciplined for the remarks.

But they appear to be the 'racist' comments Flanagan was referring to when he Tweeted in the aftermath of the deadly shooting.

Ryan Fuqua, a video editor at WDBJ, told The Post: 'That's how that guy's mind worked. Just crazy, left-field assumptions like that.'

'He was unstable. One time, after one of our live shots failed, he threw all his stuff down and ran into the woods for like 20 minutes.'

Trevor Fair, a 33-year-old cameraman at WDBJ, told the newspaper the words Parker used are commonplace but that they would routinely anger Flanagan.
Colleagues have revealed Flanagan's assumptions were 'crazy' and even described one occasion where he believed someone bringing a watermelon in for fellow staff was a racist joke directed at him

Colleagues have revealed Flanagan's assumptions were 'crazy' and even described one occasion where he believed someone bringing a watermelon in for fellow staff was a racist joke directed at him

'We would say stuff like, "The reporter's out in the field." And he would look at us and say, "What are you saying, cotton fields? That's racist".'

'We'd be like, "What?' We all know what that means, but he took it as cotton fields, and therefore we're all racists.'

Fair added: 'This guy was a nightmare. 'Management's worst nightmare.'

On Wednesday, Daily Mail Online revealed management at WDBJ dubbed the failed newsman the 'human tape recorder' because he frequently parroted what interviewees had told him rather than doing his own journalism.

He was also censured for wearing an Obama sticker while recording a segment at a polling booth during the 2012 US Presidential Election - a clear breach of journalistic impartiality.

The complaints are outlined in court papers seen by Daily Mail Online that include a scathing performance review carried out prior to his termination in Feb 2013.

The station filed the documents to rebutt a wrongful termination claim which he had brought, claiming he was the victim of discrimination because he was black and gay. The station won the case.

Flanagan earned a dismal 1 out of 5 score in several categories for his poor communication skills and a failure to show respect to colleagues.

It sheds further light on the murderer's (left) erratic behavior that has emerged since he callously gunned down Parker (right) and cameraman Adam Ward live on breakfast TV

The veteran multimedia journalist was also criticized for missing deadlines and producing reports that were 'lean on facts' and left viewers confused.

In a sometimes-rambling account of his time at WDBJ Flanagan accused co-workers of racially harassing him by placing the watermelon around the office.

'The watermelon would appear, then disappear, then appear and disappear, then appear and disappear again only to appear again,' he wrote in a May 2014 letter to presiding Judge Francis Burkart.

'This was not an innocent incident. The watermelon was placed in a strategic location.'

In his hate-filled manifesto that surfaced on Wednesday, Flanagan spoke of how his anger at perceived racial slights he had suffered, along with the Charleston church shootings, had forced him to kill the animals.

According to an unnamed source, when police raided his bare, colorless apartment after yesterday's horror unfolded the found the door smeared with cat feces and the carpets inside soaked in their urine, though there is no evidence of this in these images.

According to neighbors, Flanagan was often seen throwing their feces from the balcony.

Elsewhere in the apartment officers are said to have found a collection of sex toys with 'human material' on them, though they were presumably removed before these images were taken.

Flanagan grew up in Oakland, California, where he attended high school, but appears to have largely cut ties with the West Coast several years ago after moving to Virginia.

There are no images of family or friends around his apartment, and when Mail Online spoke to his relatives today, they seemed not to know much about Flanagan's life in recent years.

Guynell Flanagan, the killer's cousin, said the last time she had seen Vester was in 2013 when he visited for Thanksgiving dinner.

A former prom date of Flanagan's from high school also said that none of his former friends had known he moved east, or that he was going under the name Bryce Williams.

Lorah Joe, from Burbank, said the Flanagan she had known had been 'kind' and 'a gentleman', and said she was having trouble matching her memories of him with his actions yesterday.

so, to be clear... you believe someone showing that kind of erratic behavior ought to be able and go out and buy a gun "to protect himself". and that's perfectly OK with you?

please...talk some more about the befuddled thinking of liberals.

as i see it, if you're against background checks you're part of the problem and complicit in every shooting perpetrated by the latest gun toting wackjob.

That's beyond lame, mark.

"so, to be clear... you believe someone showing that kind of erratic behavior ought to be able and go out and buy a gun "to protect himself". and that's perfectly OK with you?"

Show me where I said or implied that.

"please...talk some more about the befuddled thinking of liberals" . You just demonstrated that in the line above this one)

as i see it, if you're against background checks you're part of the problem and complicit in every shooting perpetrated by the latest gun toting wackjob."

Show me where I said or even implied that.

Most states require background checks.

The problem is that GOVERNMENT employees don't always attention to what they are doing.. Criminals purchase guns illegally on the black market so that they can not be traced when they commit crimes. Only a Pollyanna would believe that criminal gun control could ever work. This guy should have been flagged but you can not stop all the crazies. Authorities don't even stop those that they have flagged and are watching. More gun legislation? Have you forgotten "fast and Furious" where this regime funneled guns to Mexican Drug cartels? How about Benghazi where this regime was funneling guns to the very people that attacked that embassy?

ok. slacker thanks for the civil reply.

but i'll have to see and raise....

"Only a Pollyanna would believe that criminal gun control could ever work. This guy should have been flagged but you can not stop all the crazies."

so, show me where i EVER said it COULD stop all the crazies?

i've never been much of a Pollyanna about anything. we're all seriously flawed from head to foot. from cradle to grave. i certainly don't believe you can stop all. maybe not even most. but if it weeds out some of the crazies....that's good enough for me.

so, do i understand you correctly then....you ARE for background checks?

that's A Saturday night special, good for nuthin' put a man in the hole..-- Lynyrd Skynrd

Generally speaking registered gun owners seldom commit crimes with their guns. Most states do have background checks. Most gun owners have had background checks. Iowa being a liberal blue state has a 3 day background check. Still nobody can spot a crazy. No background check can stop a crime of passion. No background check can stop a disgruntled worker. No background check can stop a criminal. They stop them from getting guns legally but most criminals want untraceable black market guns. How many times have your heard people living next door to mass murderers say "He was such a nice quiet person I never would have thought he would do that horrible thing". But that's how it goes sometimes. No check will find that guy. We can't even find the home grown terrorists, can we? They walk around with pressure cookers. How about a pressure cooker background check and a background check and waiting period for people wanting to purchase pressure cookers? We couldn't even stop terrorists from using commercial airliners. We also need to get rid of sharp kitchen utensils. Just being facetious on the latter.

China, North Korea, Russia, Austria, Germany, and about every other nation sell handguns and other weapons on the black market. For gun control to work you need to stop manufacturing world wide. Many gun owners prefer some foreign handguns. The Czechoslovakian CZ 75B being one of them and the Israel made IWI Jericho 941, and the Austria Glock are very popular guns just to name a few imports that American gun owners prefer. So even if America banned all guns and gun manufacturing criminals could get their hands on some top performers without any problems. The terrorists and the crazies? No problem for them either. Gun control measures are being followed already to a great degree.
I believe I read somewhere that there are 89 guns for every 100 Americans. Here is a report on registered guns.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03 ... declining/

"There are estimates, however. According to the Geneva-based Small Arms Survey – the leading source of international public information about firearms – the U.S. has the best-armed civilian population in the world, with an estimated 270 million total guns. That’s an average of 89 firearms for every 100 residents — far ahead of Yemen, which comes in second with about 55 firearms for every 100 people, or Switzerland, which is third with 46 guns for every 100 people."

So how many gun deaths are reported in America per year, not including the rash of killings spurned on my obama and the press in places like Baltimore? Not that many at all. If everyone had a family member killed by a drunk driver and the media harped on it every day along with the politicians promising to ban cars, few of us would be driving cars. If bathtub deaths were blown all out of proportion as gun incidents are, we would have people crying for bathtub registration every time someone slipped and fell.

Granted people kill people with gun. But terrorists or mad men would use home made bombs and kill many more at a time if we could actually ban guns from the select few that should not have them. Consider the population of America and the number of gun related deaths. Consider that no one has much of a problem when blacks kill blacks, but when a white kills a black, even in the line of duty, it is exaggerated beyond measure in the media. Why? Because that don't have that many deaths they can beat you over the head with so they editorializes the ones that they can to push their gun control agenda. Tyrants hate that citizens have guns.

Some people shouldn't have guns. Some people shouldn't drive cars. Some people simply shouldn't have anything at their disposal that could injure someone else. But more legislation won't find many of them if any. The big push is for registration so they know where to go to confiscate them. They know more gun laws would do little.

I'm addressing this issue of guns in some depth in upcoming "Red Dirt Zombies: the Fight for the River Line." (on track for October release)

Briefly, the State of Georgia produces AK-47 knockoffs and arms everyone with a pulse (sorry) to fight the Zs. Any gun crime is punished immediately and condignly. It ain't just white boy militias in this one - I also have the 'Black Pride' and 'Bad Latins' outfits plus plenty of ad hoc shooters protecting their neighborhoods. And of course cops, military etc.

As conditions break down hostile gangs, marauders and so on appear, making it almost a three way war.

What else could go wrong? Plenty.

Statistical analysis (pre ZA) shows accidental deaths will be very high but insignificant compared to the enormity of the threat. Subsequently other factors come into play:

Mass PTSD - everyone is engaged in the war against the Zs at some level. Various elements of that make for sure enough psychosis. Many are suicidal due to horrors witnessed. By the end of the war - human viability is threatened, disputes are routinely settled with guns and everyone is wary of everyone else. It pays to not get drunk lest you stagger about and invite a volley of bullets.

Disclaimer

I have no agenda with this. I'm just letting it play out to see what could happen. I don't see how we could not arm ourselves in a ZA - but I have not figured out a way for that to be a happy thing long term.

Talbot

PS for the history minded: A Russian Guards Rifle Division that went into the battle of Berlin with roughly 7000 men lost 400 men to accidental shootings in one week. Vodka, PTSD and submachineguns - a potent brew.

Boy the liberal BS just keeps getting thicker. How many people shouldn't have access to a motor vehicle because they are so incompetent or just down right unstable?
I would say half. 38 years of commercial driving and they concern me more than any CRAZY with a gun, or even a muslim TERRORIST with an agenda.
Just from my POV, I know hundreds of gun owners, that include police and many law interdictors. We are talking about people that understand the ultimate responsibility of that power.

I wish every one that got in a car to go and vote was as responsible!