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#242903 by Badstrat
Thu May 07, 2015 3:21 pm
Cowards Trip Over Themselves to Blame Geller, Not Terrorists, in Texas
Posted on May 6, 2015 by Tad Cronn Filed under 1st Amendment, Islam, Terrorism

http://godfatherpolitics.com/22221/cowa ... -in-texas/

More fallout from Garland, Texas, where a couple of wannabe Muslim "martyrs" tried and failed to shoot up a Mohammed cartoon contest and art showing.

It seems that everyone from Bill O'Reilly and Greta Van Susteren to the Huffing-and-Puffington Post and whoever they have over there at CNN is criticizing event organizer Pamela Geller for her free-speech event, blaming her and it for making the two gunmen put on their body armor, toss their guns into the car, drive down to the convention center and then get themselves shot by drawing on a police officer.

In fact, to hear some of her critics tell it, you'd think Geller was spotted driving the getaway vehicle and straightening the jihadis' ties before they went into the crime scene.

"By setting up a contest and awarding $10,000 for a depiction of the Prophet Muhammad," O'Reilly said, "the American Freedom Defense Initiative spurred a violent incident. That wasn’t smart, even though the group has its supporters."

The violence, of course, had nothing to do with a couple of jerks who counted at least one ISIS recruiter among their online social circle. It has nothing to do with a culture of violence perpetuated by Islamic teachings and a larger Islamic community that encourages human beings to waste their lives by killing themselves and murdering others in the name of Mohammed, a sixth-century warlord who hated Jews, hated Christians, hated women and who stole property and money from his neighbors.

Laura Ingraham at least took a more moderate art-critic tack to disguise her opposition to Geller's event. While she said she supports the freedom to hold events like the Mohammed contest, she thinks they don't help anything.

"I don’t want the Virgin Mary smeared in dung," she said. "It is number one — rude, it’s unnecessary, it’s not really that artistic — and it’s stupid."

Oh, well, since you put it that way, that it's stupid. ...

Here's the thing. The critics who are saying that Geller shouldn't have put on the event because it was obvious what some jihadis would do are operating purely out of fear. That's the jihadis' whole purpose, to make you afraid, to intimidate you into accepting their draconian laws.

That's the old Muslim sword-point conversion. Accept Islam or die. The victim doesn't want to die, so he tucks his tail between his legs and goes along. The terrorist demanding conversion doesn't care if the new Muslim's intentions are sincere, just that he now has power over the individual.

It doesn't matter if O'Reilly or Ingraham believe that drawing Mohammed is blasphemy, because they're acting like it is.

Megyn Kelly, on the other hand, gets it. She countered O'Reilly's cowardice, saying, "You know what else the jihadis don’t like? They hate Jews. Should we get rid of all Jews? That’s the path we’re going to go down if we start catering to the jihadis."

Even comedian Jon Stewart, while not exactly supporting Geller and her group, at least put the blame where it belongs: "I can’t believe we have to reiterate this," he said. "It is not OK to shoot other people because you are offended by what they draw — even if they drew it to offend you, no shooting of them. Never OK."

Islamic bullying -- because that's what it amounts to -- is like the old joke about the 800-pound gorilla. Where does the gorilla sit? Wherever it wants to.

Geller and her group are all about confronting that pushy primate and driving it back to its own territory.

What the mainstream media like to call "radical" Islam is not radical, it's fundamentalist -- ie, it follows the Quran very strictly, and that Quran is not changing. Therefore, Islam, barring some unforeseen revolution, is not changing.

There may be some "moderate" Muslims out there, but chances are they are scared to death to poke their heads up long enough for the jihadis to cut them off.

In Nazi Germany, it took only a minority of the population to control the whole country by dominating whole German people. Because the Germans had a Christian and Jewish background, however, their real culture lingered under the surface of Nazi repression.

In the case of Islam, there has been no other culture in most Muslim countries for centuries, so I'm not sure there is anything underneath the veneer of jihadist Islam to save.

But there is an entire globe of civilization that the jihadis want to conquer, and it's worth fighting for, even if the O'Reillys of the world are afraid they might break a nail in doing so.

So, to paraphrase the contest's winning artist, that is why we draw Mohammed.
#242907 by J-HALEY
Thu May 07, 2015 4:14 pm
TheFarleys wrote:It has nothing to do with fear or cowardice. It has everything to do with stupidity. This Geller woman planned this event with the intention of drawing out some ISIS wannabes; the organizers were all aware some extremist Muslims could be offended and were required to provide security for that very reason. There were other options; the contest could have been held online, and no security would have been required. This is provocation, not free speech.

Good God Man are you Retarded or something? :roll:
#242914 by Planetguy
Thu May 07, 2015 5:23 pm
TheFarleys wrote:It has nothing to do with fear or cowardice. It has everything to do with stupidity. This Geller woman planned this event with the intention of drawing out some ISIS wannabes; the organizers were all aware some extremist Muslims could be offended and were required to provide security for that very reason. There were other options; the contest could have been held online, and no security would have been required. This is provocation, not free speech.


exactly.

...besides the fact that she put a lot of innocent people/bystanders in danger w her braindead stunt.

none of you applauding her and ballyhooing about freedom of speech are willing consider another way it might have ended up.

what if those two bozos weren't taken out, but instead did gun down innocent bystanders (or even one)???

no doubt you'd only find fault w the a$$holes w the guns...and none w the a$$hole responsible for creating a very dangerous situation that put others in peril.
#242938 by MikeTalbot
Fri May 08, 2015 12:21 am
FYI

I just heard that the FBI gave the cops 3 hrs advance warning. Don't know if it is true or not - if so why would they be leaving? FBI said to have been watching the bad guys since 2009.

At first I thought maybe the 'artists' were working with the cops or feds and were doing a 'roach hotel' to trap some villains but that happens only in rational worlds - ours is not that so apparently this whole this circus is replete with goofiness all around.

I'm not mourning the loss of the two freaks. John Ringo (for you SF fans) has a funny column on that - "What kind of idiots would only take a total of 200 rounds to a gunfight in Texas?"

Talbot
#242945 by Badstrat
Fri May 08, 2015 2:38 am
"It has nothing to do with fear or cowardice. It has everything to do with stupidity."

"If the attack happened one minute later there would have been a bunch of dead bigots."

"...besides the fact that she put a lot of innocent people/bystanders in danger w her braindead stunt."

"none of you applauding her and ballyhooing about freedom of speech are willing consider another way it might have ended up."

"what if those two bozos weren't taken out, but instead did gun down innocent bystanders (or even one)???"

"no doubt you'd only find fault w the a$$holes w the guns...and none w the a$$hole responsible for creating a very dangerous situation that put others in peril."





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#242951 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Fri May 08, 2015 5:22 am
Planetguy wrote:no doubt you'd only find fault w the a$$holes w the guns...and none w the a$$hole responsible for creating a very dangerous situation that put others in peril.



You're absolutely right.

Othewise, we'd have to cancel all gay weddings because some extremist muslim might show up to kill someone. We'd need to cancel all church and synagogue services permanently and maybe even expel the jews, since they are obviously offending muslims in France by their existence?

Where does the cowardice stop?

Free speech is often speech we don't like. That's the freakin' point of the First Amendment...the very bedrock of all other rights in our Constitution. NO ONE has the right to murder someone who says something they don't like. Especially not a foreigner or a violent religious nut.

By this logic, if white supremacists are offended enough to start shooting at black weddings, you would be calling for black people to not get married so it doesn't provoke the racists.

As a Christian, I am not allowed to provoke someone to violence, and I don't support an event whose design is provoking people to anger. But as an American citizens, I must stand up for the rights of even idiots to speak their idiocy without fear of violence.

Otherwise, we'd have no politicians left. :wink:
#242957 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Fri May 08, 2015 10:59 am
Provoked to violence means some one is trying to kill you. After that it should only be a minor irritation that should be open for debate.
In simple words that YOD tried to say eloquently.... You can't go killing people because you disagree with them.
I know that's way over the heads of some... Even Bill on FOX NEWS was putting a spin on it, in his "NO SPIN ZONE"

If you do not allow free speech, then you are against the fundamental values of life itself. No matter where that life comes from. Centuries of wars and killing and extermination only prove how how brutal man can be. The best way to stop any one from having a different view... Is to kill them. Oh well... Life and hatred go on.

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