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my hero

PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 8:43 am
by Hayden King

PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:12 pm
by philbymon
The 1st one - I've been speaking along these lines since the Iranian hostage situation at the end of the Carter administration. Ppl really hate to hear the truth, as a rule, is the lesson I've learned from this. I still do it though.

The 2nd one - I couldn't agree more.

(On another note - when I 1st looked at the page the vid was loading on, in my bleary, morning after a big bad drunk state of mind, I saw the name "Ru Paul" & thought you'd gone off the deep end, Hayden, if he/she was your hero.)

PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 3:28 pm
by Andragon
I liked Biden's statement as well. Look it up on YouTube. He's sorta silent now though.

PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:13 pm
by Hayden King
philbymon wrote:The 1st one - I've been speaking along these lines since the Iranian hostage situation at the end of the Carter administration. Ppl really hate to hear the truth, as a rule, is the lesson I've learned from this. I still do it though.

The 2nd one - I couldn't agree more.

(On another note - when I 1st looked at the page the vid was loading on, in my bleary, morning after a big bad drunk state of mind, I saw the name "Ru Paul" & thought you'd gone off the deep end, Hayden, if he/she was your hero.)


LMFAO
that's worse than waking up lost because your head is at the foot o the bed.
Ru Paul lol

PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:35 pm
by gbheil
Bastards are just lucky it's not ME "interigating" them in order to protect my family.
Thats all I got to say on that subject.
America, the American people, and American corporations are not perfect. Some have outright evil intent. But to insinuate that a country just over 200 years old is somehow responsible for the evils that have existed since the fall of mankind, is just stupid.

Too bad I dont have a smiley face thats just shaking his head in disbelief.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:31 am
by Hayden King
???

I don't follow Sans?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:49 am
by jimmydanger
I understand and appreciate your passion for our great country Sans. We have many faults but it's still the best place on earth to live for my money. Yes we've let the corporations and politicians have too much power and control, but this is a license that can be revoked. Just ask the British.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:46 pm
by gbheil
Bingo Jimmy.

Hayden it,s simple my man. It would not matter our National polacies.
Some people will hate US and want to destroy US because hate is all they know. We as a nation or individuals are not responible for hate, other than our own.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:31 pm
by philbymon
sanshouheil wrote:Bingo Jimmy.

Hayden it,s simple my man. It would not matter our National polacies.
Some people will hate US and want to destroy US because hate is all they know. We as a nation or individuals are not responible for hate, other than our own.
...& that which we cause with our meddling & breaking of treaties & such. I'd say we're responsible for creating that hatred against us when we are the ones breaking the rules that WE helped to create, while making sure that everyone else follows them to the letter. Sans, I love ya like a bro, man, but can't help but disagree on lots of things political.

When the entire world gets together to try to solve ecological problems, & our pres walks out saying "Goodbye from the world's biggest polluter," with that "eff you" attitude, it doesn't exactly engender likeability.

When we cross the lines that WE were heavily invested in creating, like the Geneva Convention, we don't look like a good ppl.

When we break treaties with the arab world that were written by none other than George Washington, we stand to gain enemies in that world.

When we set up puppet gov'ts around the world to further our economic interests at the cost of the indigenous populations, it's bound to create a bit of that hatred.

When we host events on foreign soil, & ignore & even flaunt our disregard for their cultural restrictions & practices while bragging that we are the greatest country in the world, that's bound to cause ill feelings, don't you think?

Hate doesn't just rise from nowhere, sans. It has a cause.

As good as we tell ourselves we are, we tend to ignore that which our gov't does on a daily basis throughout the world. Our gov't continually tells us that it's out there helping ppl, but more often than not, when you delve into the actual facts of the situation, we tend to look rather self-serving as a nation.

We used to be the best. We produced the best stuff, grew the most & the best food. Now we use the power we achieved from our prior strength to get others to do it for us cheaper, & just use others more than any other country on the global scene. And now the corporations & richest among us, who own our gov't, are in the process of doing the same thing to our own population, & I don't like it one damned bit more than anyone else in the world likes it.

Neither I nor Ron Paul are saying that we are responsible for all the ills in the world. We ARE saying that we aren't helping the situations, & our actions tend to make the lives of the very few better than the rest, & that needs some major changing, perhaps even on a rebellious & revolutionary scale. We've come very close to having ultimate power without check, sans. With that power comes the corruption & the accompanying misuse of others for our own gain. It's only natural that the third world, & much of the second, hates us, & we shouldn't be surprized or outraged about it. We should STOP the practices that cause it.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:54 pm
by Kramerguy
philbymon wrote:Hate doesn't just rise from nowhere, sans. It has a cause.


This is the truth. We've (us government) been both directly and indirectly involved in some of the most shameful events in the last 100 years, many of which have involved sanctioned genocide, torture, unfair trade practices, children in sweatshops, etc... the list goes on and on. There's a strong reason the arab world hates us, we've used them over and over, pitted them against each other...

All the info we ever needed to see the truth is right here on the internet... it's stupifying how easily one can find actual cited and confirmable information on our government's crimes in africa, south america, persia, and the middle east over the last 75 years especially. It's sickening to say the least, what we've done or allowed to happen to innocent peoples, all in the name of profit, exploitation, and dominance.

I made a pact with myself that from now on, I will not ever vote an incumbent back into an office for a continued term. I don't care how great a job they do, they are like diapers, always full of sh*t and needing to be changed frequently. Maybe once we get enough fresh and untainted representation, maybe, just maybe, something might change and we can start fixing things instead of arguing over them.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:12 pm
by J-HALEY
In my opinion both sans and philby have valid points. As a very frustrated American frustrated because I think we spend way to much money and effort stickin our noses in other peoples buisness. Some of it we have a responsibility to defend but we really do over do it! Ron Paul is a Texan and we are in his district. :)

PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:26 pm
by Crip2Nite
:idea: We just need more big boobies flappin' around the world.... How the hell would anybody be able to concentrate on fighting??? :idea:

PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:34 pm
by J-HALEY
I like cryps plan better than any plan I have heard yet. :D

PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:36 pm
by philbymon
You'd have a hard time selling that in the nations of Islam, Crip, & in some of the African wars, they're actually cutting them off of captive women, so they cannot feed their babies. It's all part & parcel of wiping out your enemies, ain't it? Of course, we aren't too interested in helping anyone out in that area of the world, are we? After all, what could we possibly get out of it?

DAMN I'm a buzz-kill, sometimes!

Sorry... :oops:

PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:39 pm
by J-HALEY
Ouch :shock: