New Genre(s)>?
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:06 pmI was having a very cerebral conversation with a bmix member and he wrote me this. I thought it was kind of profound. I don't know if I agree with everything this writer says, but I like the way he speaks/writes enough to share it with you. I won't out the individual, but I am very curious to see what the rest of the regulars here at bandmix think about this.
"We live in information age. The info is available for those who care to find it. Thus I am learning how to mix and master by gathering information on that on the net. Little pieces here and there. I am not a wizard yet by any stretch of imagination but I am getting better at it.
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Larry is dead meat. He has already failed. He just does not know it yet. What I am about to say perhaps might be hard to swallow, but it is my opinion such as it is.
Pink Floyd did not continue in the same style as Pink Anderson and Floyd Council, they also refused to be just another Bee Gees who in turn were trying to be another Beatles. Music progresses forward. However in recent years is stopped progressing because folks are afraid to explore new horizons. Labels are trying to get bands that sounds like other bands that they sell at the moment. They are afraid to finance a band that does not fit some established genre and thus corporate music industry is a stagnant swamp. This will prove to be their own undoing.
Musicians that have played for many years now are firmly intrenched in their tastes and ideas. They do not want to budge from what they know, instead they are chasing styles that have been around for sometime and try to be like their childhood idols. I was guilty of that myself. Trying to be another Iron Maiden, another Nirvana, another Metallica, another Dream Theater. But the truth is. I've been flogging a dead horse. Just like many others.
Someone smart said: "We stand on the shoulders of giants" We do. But we are afraid to jump off and become something on our own. I do not mean to say that we are afraid of creating original material. I am saying that we are afraid of creating own genre. Floyd became who they are because they took the leap. Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Nirvana, Dire Straits, Def Leopard made the leap.
A change will come. But it will not come from EMI or SONY. They are too conservative and too corporate. They do not work for the fans, they work for the corporate stock holders, who are also conservative people in grey suits and brown shoes.
The change will come from an independent labels, independent artists and in new sound. The wave is coming sooner or later. The question is who will be on the bus and who will not. You will see that in years to come. Yes there is lots of sh*t made on PCs nowadays but new generation of kids is getting more and more proficient with the technology it then the old. And thus there are new styles being boiled out of the primordial soup of manure. Process of elimination. Someone will be on top. Someone will ignite the spark that will spawn off a new direction. Psychedelic Trance was born in the nineties in India in the region of Goa. It used to be called Goa Psy or Goa Trance. It is growing and is spread out in to clubs all over the globe. Other directions are growing as electronic artists are pushing the boundaries of the genres far and wide.
As you are aware rebellious youth always wants different stuff then their fathers. Remember your teens? I remember mine. It always been that way. Already now there is an alternative electronic movement sweeping across the globe. It is unseen to the TV and FM networks because the movement is not using it as a mechanism to reach the public. Instead they have their own networked communities and the future is there. The electronic scene splits and evolves in its own right and there are different genres and sub-genres floating about. Kinds in Europe, Russia, Egypt, Israel, Brazil and some other countries are on the wagon in to the new frontier. America is still watching their stupid American Idol and listening to corporate bands like Muse, Fall Out Boys, 30 Seconds To Mars, Black Velvet Brides, (who are just like 30 Seconds To Mars)
Stuff like 30 Seconds to Mars will be obsolete in a few years. Things that our Idols did is obsolete now, except for our generation no one really listens to that music anymore. I've seen who came to the Brit Floyd show in Frisco last March. They were all my age or older. But our generation will be out of the arena in 10 years time. We will be grandpas. Old school, classic rock etc plaid on an oldies station to the people who still have an antique FM radio. Youngsters are running around with their smart phones plugged in to the internet at all time and tuned in to di.fm, Pandora and Spottily radio stations. They SMS each other links to new DJs and sites of artists that produce sound unlike the stuff that their dads listen to. Hurts, I know. No one wants to grow old. We all want to be in our twenties all our lives. But time is relentless...
Thus I stopped flogging the dead horse. Not interested in making an old style music in any of the genre established in 20 century. It is history. Does not mean I stopped liking the music made in those times. Just not what I want to do today at the beginning of the 21st century. I've quit making rock music of any species. Instead I want to experiment with fusing together the bits I like from the rock music with bits I like from electronic music looking for a completely different overall sound. Braking the established cannons in either of the fields. This is a hard thing to do. I have not achieved what I want yet, despite the few experimental tracks I have. But one has to start somewhere.
People label their music because they want to be found in search engines and sound dump sites like SoundCloud. I have no idea what to label it, because I am trying to find something new, different, unusual. This will not be easily accepted by people with established, intrenched conservative views on music. Remember early 70s and late 60s. The generation that was in their fifties at that time did not get stuff like Pink Floyd or Iron Maiden or Jethro Tall. It was too weird for them. Kids loved it. Now those of us who sneer at the new sounding stuff are no different from those old cats several decades ago.
I do not know where it will lead me. I may never succeed, but I have to try. If I do not try I have already failed. I want to create a music that is different from both the rock scene and the electronic scene but combines the best aspects of both main branches of the music tree. Energetic music, thought provoking vocals melodic vocal lines, melodic interleaved parts, groovy beat that can appeal to both generations. Techniques used in trance and down tempo or forest or "full-on" electronic psy fused with the progressions and techniques from rock such as leads, drum rolls, vocal techniques, tune structure etc.
It is not an easy thing to pull off. But if it would be easy someone would have already done that. Electronic DJs and musicians are in to drum and bass, techno, trance, and general dance music. Rock musicians are in to blues, folk, or species of metal. I do not fit in to any categories, and I really really do not want to fit in. I am no one, thus I have nothing to loose except some time I spend working on it. I just started this fusion experiment with S*, these tracks are my first pathetic attempts at it. Good perhaps, but not quite what I want yet. But practice makes perfect, right. I just need to keep trying and eventually I will get something new and revolutionary or fail. I hope for former then the latter.
Thus if you do want to try your hand in fusing things you have to give it a really hard thought and you would have to seriously check to what is going on on the other side. At first you will not like it. It will take some adaptation and courage to let go of preconceptions established over the years of influence of those who surround you. It is like going swimming in somewhat cold lake. At first you do not want to go in, cold, wet. But then you do not want to get out of it. I had that feeling when I first tried to let go of everything and just give myself in to the sound and let it carry me. This sort of a thing is not for everyone. Electronic artists do not want to hear a rock leak on the track as much as rock artists do not want to hear and electronic beat and techniques on a rock track. It is like Cyclons and Humans in the recent remake of the show Battlestar Galactica".
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I thought this was very interesting. I am personally, not looking to create a new genre, but what a fabulous idea that is.
What a good read that was. I sat for a few minutes before I decided to reprint this on the forum.
What I am really curious about is "what do YOU bandmix people think about this concept or idea"?
PS: I am familiar with Goa Psy Trance and like it, except for the heavy dance beat. I have ties to the "Mankari crew", not that any of you would know of them. Reminds me of some raves I've been to.
"We live in information age. The info is available for those who care to find it. Thus I am learning how to mix and master by gathering information on that on the net. Little pieces here and there. I am not a wizard yet by any stretch of imagination but I am getting better at it.
***
Larry is dead meat. He has already failed. He just does not know it yet. What I am about to say perhaps might be hard to swallow, but it is my opinion such as it is.
Pink Floyd did not continue in the same style as Pink Anderson and Floyd Council, they also refused to be just another Bee Gees who in turn were trying to be another Beatles. Music progresses forward. However in recent years is stopped progressing because folks are afraid to explore new horizons. Labels are trying to get bands that sounds like other bands that they sell at the moment. They are afraid to finance a band that does not fit some established genre and thus corporate music industry is a stagnant swamp. This will prove to be their own undoing.
Musicians that have played for many years now are firmly intrenched in their tastes and ideas. They do not want to budge from what they know, instead they are chasing styles that have been around for sometime and try to be like their childhood idols. I was guilty of that myself. Trying to be another Iron Maiden, another Nirvana, another Metallica, another Dream Theater. But the truth is. I've been flogging a dead horse. Just like many others.
Someone smart said: "We stand on the shoulders of giants" We do. But we are afraid to jump off and become something on our own. I do not mean to say that we are afraid of creating original material. I am saying that we are afraid of creating own genre. Floyd became who they are because they took the leap. Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Nirvana, Dire Straits, Def Leopard made the leap.
A change will come. But it will not come from EMI or SONY. They are too conservative and too corporate. They do not work for the fans, they work for the corporate stock holders, who are also conservative people in grey suits and brown shoes.
The change will come from an independent labels, independent artists and in new sound. The wave is coming sooner or later. The question is who will be on the bus and who will not. You will see that in years to come. Yes there is lots of sh*t made on PCs nowadays but new generation of kids is getting more and more proficient with the technology it then the old. And thus there are new styles being boiled out of the primordial soup of manure. Process of elimination. Someone will be on top. Someone will ignite the spark that will spawn off a new direction. Psychedelic Trance was born in the nineties in India in the region of Goa. It used to be called Goa Psy or Goa Trance. It is growing and is spread out in to clubs all over the globe. Other directions are growing as electronic artists are pushing the boundaries of the genres far and wide.
As you are aware rebellious youth always wants different stuff then their fathers. Remember your teens? I remember mine. It always been that way. Already now there is an alternative electronic movement sweeping across the globe. It is unseen to the TV and FM networks because the movement is not using it as a mechanism to reach the public. Instead they have their own networked communities and the future is there. The electronic scene splits and evolves in its own right and there are different genres and sub-genres floating about. Kinds in Europe, Russia, Egypt, Israel, Brazil and some other countries are on the wagon in to the new frontier. America is still watching their stupid American Idol and listening to corporate bands like Muse, Fall Out Boys, 30 Seconds To Mars, Black Velvet Brides, (who are just like 30 Seconds To Mars)
Stuff like 30 Seconds to Mars will be obsolete in a few years. Things that our Idols did is obsolete now, except for our generation no one really listens to that music anymore. I've seen who came to the Brit Floyd show in Frisco last March. They were all my age or older. But our generation will be out of the arena in 10 years time. We will be grandpas. Old school, classic rock etc plaid on an oldies station to the people who still have an antique FM radio. Youngsters are running around with their smart phones plugged in to the internet at all time and tuned in to di.fm, Pandora and Spottily radio stations. They SMS each other links to new DJs and sites of artists that produce sound unlike the stuff that their dads listen to. Hurts, I know. No one wants to grow old. We all want to be in our twenties all our lives. But time is relentless...
Thus I stopped flogging the dead horse. Not interested in making an old style music in any of the genre established in 20 century. It is history. Does not mean I stopped liking the music made in those times. Just not what I want to do today at the beginning of the 21st century. I've quit making rock music of any species. Instead I want to experiment with fusing together the bits I like from the rock music with bits I like from electronic music looking for a completely different overall sound. Braking the established cannons in either of the fields. This is a hard thing to do. I have not achieved what I want yet, despite the few experimental tracks I have. But one has to start somewhere.
People label their music because they want to be found in search engines and sound dump sites like SoundCloud. I have no idea what to label it, because I am trying to find something new, different, unusual. This will not be easily accepted by people with established, intrenched conservative views on music. Remember early 70s and late 60s. The generation that was in their fifties at that time did not get stuff like Pink Floyd or Iron Maiden or Jethro Tall. It was too weird for them. Kids loved it. Now those of us who sneer at the new sounding stuff are no different from those old cats several decades ago.
I do not know where it will lead me. I may never succeed, but I have to try. If I do not try I have already failed. I want to create a music that is different from both the rock scene and the electronic scene but combines the best aspects of both main branches of the music tree. Energetic music, thought provoking vocals melodic vocal lines, melodic interleaved parts, groovy beat that can appeal to both generations. Techniques used in trance and down tempo or forest or "full-on" electronic psy fused with the progressions and techniques from rock such as leads, drum rolls, vocal techniques, tune structure etc.
It is not an easy thing to pull off. But if it would be easy someone would have already done that. Electronic DJs and musicians are in to drum and bass, techno, trance, and general dance music. Rock musicians are in to blues, folk, or species of metal. I do not fit in to any categories, and I really really do not want to fit in. I am no one, thus I have nothing to loose except some time I spend working on it. I just started this fusion experiment with S*, these tracks are my first pathetic attempts at it. Good perhaps, but not quite what I want yet. But practice makes perfect, right. I just need to keep trying and eventually I will get something new and revolutionary or fail. I hope for former then the latter.
Thus if you do want to try your hand in fusing things you have to give it a really hard thought and you would have to seriously check to what is going on on the other side. At first you will not like it. It will take some adaptation and courage to let go of preconceptions established over the years of influence of those who surround you. It is like going swimming in somewhat cold lake. At first you do not want to go in, cold, wet. But then you do not want to get out of it. I had that feeling when I first tried to let go of everything and just give myself in to the sound and let it carry me. This sort of a thing is not for everyone. Electronic artists do not want to hear a rock leak on the track as much as rock artists do not want to hear and electronic beat and techniques on a rock track. It is like Cyclons and Humans in the recent remake of the show Battlestar Galactica".
=
I thought this was very interesting. I am personally, not looking to create a new genre, but what a fabulous idea that is.
What a good read that was. I sat for a few minutes before I decided to reprint this on the forum.
What I am really curious about is "what do YOU bandmix people think about this concept or idea"?
PS: I am familiar with Goa Psy Trance and like it, except for the heavy dance beat. I have ties to the "Mankari crew", not that any of you would know of them. Reminds me of some raves I've been to.
