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Yo Irmy,

I'll help with the tent as long as admission is free!

(this is shaping up to be another " bodacious pissin' match", ... don't wanna miss it!)

Somewhere along the way, this all started when someone said they thought Christianity and Metal didn't mix. My thought is when you speak about the Genre of Rock as a whole, you can't leave out a band like Petra who were doing it way before anyone else. Then Stryper came along in the '80s and they were selling out shows all over the world. And Michael Sweet has never been shy about his faith.

I could sit here and say I don't like a lot of music because of its satanic lyrics. I could knock Marilyn Manson all day long but fact is he is a viable icon in Rock music. That is a fact. So for those of you who don't like Christian messages in Rock tunes, and you happen to like the before mention Manson, then that might make you a bit hypocritical.

I think that is where this all started.

I really have learned something about myself through this forum and the one I started "JesusRockStar7 looking for Singer". I found out that I was really angry when some of you didn't agree, or understand my point of view. I became a typical bible thumper and tried to beat you over the head with religion.....and that is NOT what Jesus was about.

In fact, Jesus was quite the opposite. He hung out with tax collectors and prostitutes without judgment or ridicule. He actually attacked the religious leaders of his days for doing the very thing I was doing.

From now on, you will read from a more kinder, gentler Joe. Promise!

God Shall Add, religion is a very controversial subject. It is hard to discuss without tempers flaring, all of our best bets may be to stay off of the subject, at least out of musical context.

Manson has evil music, but we have to face it, the creepy guy is a genius. He is rich, lmao. Yeah, my problem with Christian music is it is too religious for me at times, and you are right, it does stand a bit hypocritical to listen to Manson who is preaching Satanism and not to that. On the contrary, even though I am not fond of the lyrics always in songs, sometimes there are just songs that are very good, that are religious, and I listen to them anyhow. That goes for Christian music as well, I heard once that POD was Christian rock, they have some good stuff. I used to listen to some stuff from The Lost Prophets, who were also considered Christian I think. So it goes to show even sometimes if you are not fond of the message, you can still like the song.

I listen to many songs that we can call sacrilegious, but I like the sound and that is why I listen to them. But if the song is preaching a message that is really evil, I will avoid it. Even though I am Jewish, my father’s side of the family is Catholic. I do believe in certain aspects of that religion, even though it is a bit odd to do so when I am faithful to Judaism.

What I do not like about any religion is when people become hypocrites. I see it in every religion, even my own. Look at rabbis, now I may be Jewish and faithful, but they tend make a bit too much money. Some of them drive a Cadillac that is worth $75k, it is just not right. It seems greedy to me. Then you have, as I mentioned before, people who steal money from the churches, they pretend to be all God worthy and knowledgeable, and next thing you know the pastor (or priest) has a house worth 2.5 million dollars. That is the kind of stuff I do not go for in any religion. Gandhi believed in being one with his people, he never lived above his means, he stayed down to Earth.

My religion may be strong, but I am someone who is very analytical about things, so there are portions of life I question. I do not think any one religion has all of the answers, perhaps the answers are somewhere in between all of them. For instance, I heard that there is one thing in all religions of the world, the great flood (Noah and the Ark). They say that is in all of them, at least that is what I thought I heard, correct me if I am wrong.

I like music that preaches good messages, we do not need to necessarily bring up religion to do that. Then there is music that uplifts you and makes you realize you are not alone in this world, like Metallica stuff. Although, I hear people killed themselves to the song "Fade to Black" and it freaked the band out, lol. They wrote the song because their stuff was stolen and one of James Hetfield's gifts from his mother (A rare amplifier) was taken as well. So it was a depressing song and people just started knocking themselves off. That is scary when that happens.

I believe in helping people as well, the more the better. I do not need religion to do it either, religion is not the message I am trying to spread. I am just trying to do some good in a world filled with evil, just like you.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

All good points, GA.

As far as money goes, I don't have anything against a pastor or rabbi have nice things or money. I know a messianic rabbi (we won't get into the details of that) here in Dallas who is a very blessed man. I don't think he drives a 75k Cadi but I'm sure he drives a nice car and has a decent home.

I do know thaere are individuals (stress that word) who should not be in the so-called Christian lime light right now. I would have a hard time hearing a message on strengthening my marriage from someone who recently got divorced. You may know that individual....but that is not important.

The whole Torah and Brit Chadashah speak about prosperity....healthy prosperity, not greed....I think you and I may agree on this.

Are there false teachers out there in ministry for vain gain? Absolutely.

Are there sincere, preachers out there in ministry that are not self-serving and have become wealthy through the Blessing of Abraham? I believe so.

But, let's look at a secular individual...Bill Gates. He is the wealthiest man in the world.....no doubt. Yet at the end of his career, he has decided to give most of his wealth into philanthropic organizations along with most of Warren Buffet, who turned most of his wealth over to the Bill Gates Foundation.

Nobody calls Bill Gates a man who has ripped millions of people off. He earned every penny.

But, when a man like Creflo Dollar becomes wealthy through his own businesses and is now a billionaire, they call him a thief and a crook. He makes a salary from pastoring World Changers Interntional in Georgia. But, he has gained his wealth by being the President and CEO of three major companies.

That to me is the favor of God, the Blessing, if you will.

So it is ok for Bill Gates to be the wealthiest man alive, but not Creflo Dollar because he is in ministry. That is somewhat hypocritical.

The world is so twisted in its views.

By the way, I don't want to seem pushy, ok, but I hope you will take this suggestion with an open mind.

I know a man named Dr. Michael Brown who is a Jew. He is a great biblical scholar. He has written a great number of books.

Particularly, he has written a series called "Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus".

http://www.amazon.com/Answering-Jewish- ... 080106063X

Just a suggestion!

I don't agree with him on a great number of things, but he is brilliant none the less.

Joe

All good points, GA.

As far as money goes, I don't have anything against a pastor or rabbi have nice things or money. I know a messianic rabbi (we won't get into the details of that) here in Dallas who is a very blessed man. I don't think he drives a 75k Cadi but I'm sure he drives a nice car and has a decent home.

I do know thaere are individuals (stress that word) who should not be in the so-called Christian lime light right now. I would have a hard time hearing a message on strengthening my marriage from someone who recently got divorced. You may know that individual....but that is not important.

The whole Torah and Brit Chadashah speak about prosperity....healthy prosperity, not greed....I think you and I may agree on this.

Are there false teachers out there in ministry for vain gain? Absolutely.

Are there sincere, preachers out there in ministry that are not self-serving and have become wealthy through the Blessing of Abraham? I believe so.

But, let's look at a secular individual...Bill Gates. He is the wealthiest man in the world.....no doubt. Yet at the end of his career, he has decided to give most of his wealth into philanthropic organizations along with most of Warren Buffet, who turned most of his wealth over to the Bill Gates Foundation.

Nobody calls Bill Gates a man who has ripped millions of people off. He earned every penny.

But, when a man like Creflo Dollar becomes wealthy through his own businesses and is now a billionaire, they call him a thief and a crook. He makes a salary from pastoring World Changers Interntional in Georgia. But, he has gained his wealth by being the President and CEO of three major companies.

That to me is the favor of God, the Blessing, if you will.

So it is ok for Bill Gates to be the wealthiest man alive, but not Creflo Dollar because he is in ministry. That is somewhat hypocritical.

The world is so twisted in its views.

By the way, I don't want to seem pushy, ok, but I hope you will take this suggestion with an open mind.

I know a man named Dr. Michael Brown who is a Jew. He is a great biblical scholar. He has written a great number of books.

Particularly, he has written a series called "Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus".

http://www.amazon.com/Answering-Jewish- ... 080106063X

Just a suggestion!

I don't agree with him on a great number of things, but he is brilliant none the less.

Joe

Fascinating points you made. Well, understand something, I understand Jesus, it is not that. I believe he existed, I believe actually just about everything they said about him. The only thing I question is why he died, the part of the Christian faith that says he died for their sins kind of does not seem accurate to me. I think he died because he was killed, that is where I differ. Also, one important part I do not agree with is that part that says he is the returning Messiah and stuff. But that is logical, it is not part of my religion. I believe this worlds evil killed him, just like they took Gandhi.

Jesus was a good man, he was the son of God, and he was taken before his time by evil, the same evil that controls this world today.

On the other note, yeah there are people who fairly earn their money but people falsely acuse them. That is a sad case, but I see so many out there I cannot stand. Many people out are just using others, I say if you really believe in your faith and want to share that with the world (In a non-imposing manner), then do so, but do not steal money. So many people doing evil acts in the name of God these days it is not funny. God does not permit evil acts, but somehow they twist it to believe he would.

Sad world, man.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

I feel you missinterpit my meanings: extremist ok yes that I am;
My rebel yell is for us to have this wonderfull opportunity to share our thoughts together even though we dont agree. There are many of both religeous and secular world who would rid us of that right. I value your opinion when given honestly even If it hurts my feelings a bit.
Again my opinion. The Word of God has two parts, The Law (the sharp stick if you will) and the Gospel (the honey) As none of us are capable of flawlessly following the Law. Jesus paid our dues (Gospel)
As for the AK-47 It in fact is a very inaccurate piece of junk and no good extreamist worth his salt would own one. If pressed to defend wife and family I would much perfer the 800m kill range of the 7.62mm nato round in a quality bolt action.
If not pressed I much perfer my axe (read STRAT) You will be glade to note I'll not post on this subject any longer. Hope to hear from all of you on a musical thread. Your extremist friend; George.

I could sit here and say I don't like a lot of music because of its satanic lyrics. I could knock Marilyn Manson all day long but fact is he is a viable icon in Rock music. That is a fact. So for those of you who don't like Christian messages in Rock tunes, and you happen to like the before mention Manson, then that might make you a bit hypocritical.

Mmmm, no I think you've made a flawed analogy there. Marilyn Manson isn't pushing a religion with a music form that is antithetical to that religion.

And I still think that heavy metal and Christianity are at odds. This thread didn't solve much, for me.

And I still think that heavy metal and Christianity are at odds. This thread didn't solve much, for me.

That I agree with, they are at odds. But for apparent reasons, I am not saying there are not some bands who are very religious in Metal, but still. Kind of contridicts the whole Christian cause, let alone any other religions causes (Except for Satanists).

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

Blond,brunett,and a red head commuting to work, car crashes all are dead. St. Peters says to the redhead.For me to let you in the perley gates you have to tell me the meaning of EASTER. Thats easy this fat guy with a red&white suit."Wrong" St. peter reply's that not even the meaning of that holliday.To hell with ya.The brunett take's a try.Thats when the easter bunny hides eggs."Wrong" St. peter reply's right holliday wrong meaning.To hell with ya.Blond says,that when Jesus died on the cross for all our sin's.Then they put him in a tomb,and rolled this huge rock in front of it.Then after 3 day's he came out to see his shadow?

^^^^^^^

LOL... seems like your posts are a "showstopper" in both these religious fanatic threads!

Yo Cript,
This is why I want Scarlet to move on up to "The Poke-in-nose" (Poconos, P.A.), and join my band. He plays great AND has a good sense of humour!

Note to George,
(I'd be careful what ya say 'bout Irmy's ol' A.K. . He probably don't take it too seriously, BUT YA NEVER KNOW!

To the rest,
good points all around on the "discussion at hand".

later.......
J

Insulting Irminsul's AK-47... That is like suicide...

... Compliment him, quickly, about that gun...

Or else you will have a mad harpist stalking you!

Just kidding, .

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

OK OK now I'm Sceered. Uh Uh that AK is uh really reliable even ifn you cant hit crap with it at 800m. and um um there cheap I I Mean inexpensive ya thats it. that may be why those that subscribe to the human wave or martyr combat formats use them. I think it was George S. Patton who said. The trick is not to die for your country but to make the other guy die for his. or something like that.

"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."

- George S. Patton

But personally, dying for one's religion is the dumbest thing you can do. I stopped believing in my teens, that "God" wants more martyrs.