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Well said everyone!
I am a musician first always, and I have no children (that I know of) but I do have many young family members and cannot just set by with an "as long as I get mine" attitude and watch their futures get filled with unnecessary burden's!
Just because you think these problems don't affect you, how much better off do you think you would be living if you din't have to pay for:
a world policing force.
2 wars that have done nothing more than gain more expensive oil and new enemies
11 trillion dollars borrowed from international banks (plus interest) to pay back to those same banks.
one million inmates for non violent drug (prohibition) charges.
one trillion dollars for business's that lost all of their own money (and invester's) for being bad at business.
200 billion dollars in subsidies for giant agricompanies to grow corn for ethanol that costs more than it saves.
ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect.

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"thems that knows me knows better, thems that dont, dont matter"

It would be a stangeworld Phil if we did agree on everything.
We disagree, but we can work together. This is why I truly believe in the Representitive Republic method of governmment.

Oh, and I love you too.

You know I have to say this, Hate comes from satin, not America!
All the ills you gents attribute to America or our goverment are resultant from sin.
It is the same everywhere. Always has been. And will remain so until the return of Christ.
Yet we are not to surrender to the evil. We must fight it together.

I guess I can accept that, if it means that Satan uses &/or resides within the American gov't....personally, I think that there are a lot of PEOPLE involved in this, too, & yes, they must be stopped, whether they be skull & bones or satanic or simply greedy jerkwits. I mean, it's nice to be able to say "the devil made me do it," but come on! It's the personal decisions of these ppl within our gov't & corporations, whether satanically influenced or not, that get us into trouble with so many countries, & we often keep voting the same ppl into office, & allowing the companies far too much free range. Therefore it must have been a sin to give GWB a 2nd term?

Yea I guess so after all I voted for the lyin prick.
"The devil made me do it" I assure you that popular term / excuse came from the secular crowd making light of Christianity and there own lack of integrity. Satin has no power but that we allow him personally. Satins influence in my life is a heavy burden my friend. The personal responsibility I accept as a Christian to resist him, is much heavier. Yet the Holy Spirit whom resides in me at my invitation helps me bear that burdan. When I drop the load (no pun intended) It is I whom is responsible. He who chooses to follow evil influence is responsible! And we must hold those in our society responsible for their criminal activities.
Amen !
Here endith the sermon.

P.S.
It is funny to me how "sin" has taken on a single act connotation.
This is another falshood preached by "religion" in order to deny their own sinfull natures.
Sin, is the influence of evil upon our world. Not an individual act.
Even the kindest act can be sinfull, if the intent of the actor is selfish.

You know I have to say this, Hate comes from satin, not America!

No, no. Love comes from satin, especially if there's boobies behind it (had to say that for Cryp) Now, SATAN, on the other hand...... Just giving you a hard time, Sans.
The idea of our government is a good plan, it's just the people who corrupt it for their own personal gain who are evil. And I don't know that we vote them back in as much as that the corporations buy them back in. Corporations own the media, the media controls the masses (at least the dumbmasses ) and that's why Ron Paul didn't stand a chance. The media chooses who gets into the debates and they didn't consider Ron Paul a serious candidate. Ain't that a laugh. IMHO, he was the ONLY serious candidate, at least serious about helping the country instead of helping himself. Hell, the media would have rather gone for Ru Paul!

sorry Sans but I just dont buy that the devil uses humans to do his dirty deeds in order to take over their souls.
It's good ole dirty bastard humans behind this. I can fight a human. I can vote or not vote for a human. I can hope to see dirty bastard humans going down the hallway in shackles for shamelessly robbing and murdering other humans.
I've never seen evidence of anything but dirty assed humans involved in the troubles of mankind.
Aliens maybe, but no devil. Not a non human one at least.
I want to see people raising hell over these things not going to church & praying about em!!!

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sorry Sans but I just dont buy that the devil uses humans to do his dirty deeds in order to take over their souls.
It's good ole dirty bastard humans behind this. I can fight a human. I can vote or not vote for a human. I can hope to see dirty bastard humans going down the hallway in shackles for shamelessly robbing and murdering other humans.
I've never seen evidence of anything but dirty assed humans involved in the troubles of mankind.
Aliens maybe, but no devil. Not a non human one at least.
I want to see people raising hell over these things not going to church & praying about em!!!

The enemy doesnt want your soul, he wants you to die.
There is a guideline set down for human behaviour for a reason.
If everyone tried their best to adhere to that guideline, there would be no 'these things'.
It's a daily battle.
Most people wont even consider the battle because of pride.
Especially men. We tend to think we dont need help and can handle it on our own. Our will, our brains, our power - we can fight all the injustices.
Sure, everyone can do their part but there is an opposing force... and help is needed.

Ron Paul is simply an isolationist. His attitude is stick our heads in the sand and worry only about us. Make the government as small as possible and then everything will be okay. I'm not buying what he stands for one minute. I'm also not buying ANY reasoning that says America is responsible in any way, shape, or form for 911 and the subsequent war on terror. Is America responsible for the innumerable attacks on Israel over the last sixty plus years? Is America responsible for the various attacks such as blowing up a plane over Scotland, the Bali massacre, the elemntary school attack in Bislan, the numerous attacks against India, the ethnic genocide in the Sudan, attacks in England and Spain, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. and many more etc. The fundamentalist Islamic scum ARE SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WARS ON THEIR SOIL, PERIOD. Any country that supports the state of Israel is a potential target. This is a war that IS STILL BEING FOUGHT FROM THE MIDDLE AGES. WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS. When the scumbags finally let the Israelis have their speck of soil (Israel is smaller than Rhode Island) then the war on terror will stop. Do you want to abandon Israel? I don't. Where are the Israelis supposed to go? How about send them back to Poland? In the early 1920's there were millions of Jews living in Poland. Now there's less than 25 thousand. Where did they all go? Do you remember the Holocaust? Or do you believe the President of Iran, Mr. Assholedidajob, that the holocaust is a myth? How about send the Israelis back to Russsia? They sure would be welcomed there with open arms, wouldn't they? You've got to get through your thick skulls why there is a war on terror. WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR IT. It is a worldwide effort by worthless scum to kill us infidels. That's it. That's all there is to it It's black and white gentlemen.

(regarding Iraq)

That mission is a guarantee of a never-ending cycle of violence because our open-ended presence in Iraq is itself fueling the recruitment of terrorists. With that as a mission, we will find ourselves on a treadmill that never stops. We stay there to hunt down the terrorists and more terrorists are recruited, so we fight them and more terrorists are recruited and so the cycle goes.

Let’s be clear: “What we have done in Iraq,” terrorism expert Peter Bergen explained, “is what bin Laden could not have hoped for in his wildest dreams…It’s hard to imagine a set of policies better designed to sabotage the war on terrorism.”

A report issued by the CIA’s think tank found that Iraq has replaced Afghanistan as the training ground for the next generation of “professionalized” terrorists. But, the tragic irony is, terrorism was the result of the war, not a reason for waging it and so we are in greater danger.

Once again, war solved nothing.

Iraq is a fire draw.
It's supposed to enrage the radicals and have them flood into that country to try to get rid of us, versus coming to the states.
Regardless of the real reason why iraq started, it always astounds me that almost nobody recognizes that strategy.

Does anyone care to remember a fellow named Saddam Hussein who had under his control at one time the fourth largest standing army in the world? Does anybody remember the war between Iraq and Iran where well over a million people were slaughtered? Does anybody remember the attacks by Saddam on the Kurds, on the Shiites, his massive plans to attack Israel, his bellicose gestures towards the U.S., his attacking Kuwait, etc.etc.etc. The world is a far safer place now that he's gone. Our very strong military presence in the middle east is a very good thing in my humble opinion. The vast majority of terrorists are FROM THAT REGION OF THE WORLD. Doesn't it make a whole lot of sense for us to be there in a major way? Isn't it easier to conduct overt and covert war from there and not from here? Last time I checked the terrorists haven't surrendered. Last time I checked there hasn't been a major terror attack on our soil. Last time I checked the level of violence in Iraq has gone down quite significantly. This war is going to last a VERY LONG time. GET USED TO IT. We have always fought short wars. We think of wars as finite. If the war isn't over in a few years we end it. This war is different. In the minds of the fundamentalist scum the state of Israel still exists, therefore the conditions for war still exist. This isn't going to end in a LONG TIME. It very obviously is going better for us now than a few short years ago. Do you remember the Libyans? Remember Khadafi? Weren't they a problem in the 80's? It's amazing what carrying your dead daughter's body will do to change your mind about waging war (Khadafi carried his dead daughter after we bombed Tripoli). I hate war, but I cannot emphasize enough that WE DIDN'T START THIS WAR. WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR IT. Our conduct in it may not be perfect. I'm glad we got rid of Saddam. I'm glad we have a massive military presence over there. The other side has to get to the negotiating table. Israel isn't going away any time soon. They have a saying "Never forget." We have to never forget that Israel has that saying. We have to protect and support Israel. They have been fighting these same pieces of scum for over sixty years. Are we going to be COWARDS and put our heads in the sand. Or are we going to be MEN and face up to reality...

Well...when we recreated Israel, we caused a helluva lot of problems that had seemed to have been solved, or in the process of being solved, naturally. Just prior to WWII, Moslems & Jews shared political status in a country called Palestine. When we teamed up with Stalin & Churchill & decided that all the "misplaced Jews" needed to return to Israel, it caused the same problems that would have been created had we simply moved the former slaves back to Africa, post-civil war. The region was being run quite nicely, thank you very much (perhaps not by our standards, but it was better than it is now), but then we moved thousands of ppl into "Palestine," & gave them control of a country that they hadn't had any interest in, save historically, in their collective lifetimes. They had had no experience controlling a country, & had had a bad history with much of the indigenous population. So what happened? They overdid it all, just like anyone would have, considering their experiences & history, & refused to share the power with the ppl who had been running things for years. Not only did they refuse to share the power, they made the Moslems into 2nd class citizens in the country that they had once controlled WITH the Jews who had stayed in the area. Bad move for everyone. I can understand the anger of the Palestinians, & if you cannot, you have no heart at all, & cannot imagine how it would be if outsiders just randomly decided to return the Americas to Native American rule, or have no grasp of the true history.

Btw...um...bob? Who backed Saddam against the Iranians? Who gave him his arms? Who assured that HE would remain the ruler of the country?

While we're at it - who overran the Iranian ruler back in the 50's & placed the hated Shah in power, & for what ends?

I can certainly understand the slogan "NEVER FORGET," & I'm quite sure the Palestinians can understand it, too!

We just willy-nilly decided to recreate Jewish rule in an area that hadn't had it in CENTURIES, but that was a good thing to do, right? I can't help but disagree.

Yes, the arab world is "backward" by our standards. Yes, they are harsh & cruel, even to their own. But our meddling in the area has made it MUCH worse than it was before we meddled, & has placed our ppl in their gun sights because of it.

Frankly, in these troubled times, we DO need to back off from the world at large, & start to handle things here at home. Things like our own poor, our own failing infrastructure, our own failing economy due to the greed of the ppl that have bought & corrupted our gov't with lavish gifts & other forms of bribery. We need to fix a lot in our OWN house before we start wandering off to other countries & tell them how to make things better in theirs, as our own country falls into the abyss.

We are not the answer to the world's problems, & until we can accept that fact, we are doomed to be hated by most of the world.

Damn Hayden, you still aint hearing what I am saying!

You and I could sit down and have a Looong talk my friend!

We are basicly saying the same thing.
I never said or insinuated anything about satin using us, or taking souls.
He is the source of the evil that we plain ol dirty bastard humans must deal with. We are always at choice.

Oh well, You know I tried.
I'm still on your side Hayden on many subjects.
Keep that in mind eh!

Sans "WE ARE ALL ONE"
I say that with the utmost sincerity!
I dont want to go way out on everyone but I will say that Conspiricy has run this country from the very beginning!
Pearl Harbor was just another 911 and the facts have been in on that one for years. Yes they knew the Japan's fleet was coming and did nothing to either stop them, or warn the innocent soldiers that died in vein that day.
Also having the Isrealies attack one of our ships in order to draw Egypt into war with Isreal is proven (recorded conversations between the president and navy command with the president insisting they not help our ship).
Let's not be naive and think that there aren't power hungry maniac's out there that huddle up together in order to gain power.
Remember Hitler?
Stalin?
Remember "WE" put Hussain in power and built his war machine. WE did the same with Noriega/The shaw (Noriega and Hussein were on the C.I.A. payroll)
And now we have a former Bush oil man as president in Afganistan...
Did anyone notice that all but one of Bush's appointments were oil men?
Just set back & watch what happens in Afganistan in the next 2 years.
No Sans "we" are not responsible for the problems in most of the world, but the people in power in our country (same as the world) are responsible and should be duly punished for it!



Just have a listen to this. A few minutes in there is a short (2 min) segment that seems out of place. just continue on...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTQ009VwEi8 BUT BEFORE YOU DO...
hear about the Real American Heroes that most of our representatives have nothing in common with anymore... I believe Ron Paul does.
start from 2:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7urmNMxlwA
Sans you'll see where our lines cross at the end of this first short one.



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Got to hustle my butt off to work now. Got to keep those evil folk in Washington flowing in whores and caviar with my taxes.

But I'll be back to check out the info you posted Hayden.