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I don't see one band from the late 70's or 80's...that's awful. The bands you listed do not play that well at all compared to the NWOBHM and Thrash. That's when Metal ruled.

It will never be like those days again.

I don't see one band from the late 70's or 80's...that's awful. The bands you listed do not play that well at all compared to the NWOBHM and Thrash. That's when Metal ruled.

It will never be like those days again.

I could give a sh*t less when the music I like came from. These bands are pretty creative, and have their own sound. OP wants to make generic brutal music, and the bands I listed are a good starting point into making something more involved than that.

Also, Music is much better now than it ever has been, take off the nostalgia goggles.

Also, Music is much better now than it ever has been, take off the nostalgia goggles.

I think this is half right. Metal undoubtedly is getting more experimental and interesting (at least it was up until 2007 or so) but almost any other genre has been beaten to death and stagnating. I think the majority of bands back in the 60's and 70's had to put a lot more effort into making good music to lay the ground work for all of these newer bands, and to be honest, I find that the majority of music now is too processed or polished in all genres. The simple fact is - most of the "new ideas" that bands now come up with have already been done before in one form or another.

The most recent albums that I think are really innovative are Scott Walker's "The Drift" back in 2006, and Maudlin of the Well's "Part the Second" last year. Not very much innovation other than that, and 2010 is looking pretty boring to me.

Also, Music is much better now than it ever has been, take off the nostalgia goggles.

I think this is half right. Metal undoubtedly is getting more experimental and interesting (at least it was up until 2007 or so) but almost any other genre has been beaten to death and stagnating. I think the majority of bands back in the 60's and 70's had to put a lot more effort into making good music to lay the ground work for all of these newer bands, and to be honest, I find that the majority of music now is too processed or polished in all genres. The simple fact is - most of the "new ideas" that bands now come up with have already been done before in one form or another.

The most recent albums that I think are really innovative are Scott Walker's "The Drift" back in 2006, and Maudlin of the Well's "Part the Second" last year. Not very much innovation other than that, and 2010 is looking pretty boring to me.

I disagree about other genres. I think you just have to really look for something new in order to find it.

Shoegaze has A Place to Bury Strangers
Pop music has Animal Collective
Metal has Ameseours
Industrial has ohGr
Terror EBM has Psyclon Nine

etc, etc, etc. I recommend scouring 4chan's /mu/ board for a bit and downloading some lesser known music that interests you from share threads. There are quite a number of bands from all sorts of genres, including rap and country that are doing something mindblowing.

Some bands I have really enjoyed lately:
Crippled Black Phoenix (Post Rock)
Ameseours (Black Metal + Shoegaze)
Subterranean Masquerade (Avant Garde Metal)
Portal (Atmospheric Death Metal)
Shining (Black Metal + Jazz, look up "Black Jazz")
Wildildlife (Noise rock)
Grey Daturas (Noise Rock)

Maybe the major ideas of these bands are not necessarily new, but their sounds are very distinct and I think they're worth mentioning as innovative new bands.

I disagree about other genres. I think you just have to really look for something new in order to find it.

Shoegaze has A Place to Bury Strangers
Pop music has Animal Collective
Metal has Ameseours
Industrial has ohGr
Terror EBM has Psyclon Nine

etc, etc, etc. I recommend scouring 4chan's /mu/ board for a bit and downloading some lesser known music that interests you from share threads. There are quite a number of bands from all sorts of genres, including rap and country that are doing something mindblowing.

Some bands I have really enjoyed lately:
Crippled Black Phoenix (Post Rock)
Ameseours (Black Metal + Shoegaze)
Subterranean Masquerade (Avant Garde Metal)
Portal (Atmospheric Death Metal)
Shining (Black Metal + Jazz, look up "Black Jazz")
Wildildlife (Noise rock)
Grey Daturas (Noise Rock)

Maybe the major ideas of these bands are not necessarily new, but their sounds are very distinct and I think they're worth mentioning as innovative new bands.

I've heard almost every one of those bands and I still think they aren't offering much new material. I guess my definition of innovative is different from everyone else's. I'll just leave it at that.

For some reason I'm not very surprised you use 4chan for music. I go to a forum and progarchives for all of my music. The last thing I want to do is ask 4chan for an opinion.

(ps I don't really like Shining's latest album as much as their older ones. Also, the only thing I really liked by Amesoeurs was his first ep. I guess I'm sort of getting disinterested in metal)

I disagree about other genres. I think you just have to really look for something new in order to find it.

Shoegaze has A Place to Bury Strangers
Pop music has Animal Collective
Metal has Ameseours
Industrial has ohGr
Terror EBM has Psyclon Nine

etc, etc, etc. I recommend scouring 4chan's /mu/ board for a bit and downloading some lesser known music that interests you from share threads. There are quite a number of bands from all sorts of genres, including rap and country that are doing something mindblowing.

Some bands I have really enjoyed lately:
Crippled Black Phoenix (Post Rock)
Ameseours (Black Metal + Shoegaze)
Subterranean Masquerade (Avant Garde Metal)
Portal (Atmospheric Death Metal)
Shining (Black Metal + Jazz, look up "Black Jazz")
Wildildlife (Noise rock)
Grey Daturas (Noise Rock)

Maybe the major ideas of these bands are not necessarily new, but their sounds are very distinct and I think they're worth mentioning as innovative new bands.

I've heard almost every one of those bands and I still think they aren't offering much new material. I guess my definition of innovative is different from everyone else's. I'll just leave it at that.

For some reason I'm not very surprised you use 4chan for music. I go to a forum and progarchives for all of my music. The last thing I want to do is ask 4chan for an opinion.

(ps I don't really like Shining's latest album as much as their older ones. Also, the only thing I really liked by Amesoeurs was his first ep. I guess I'm sort of getting disinterested in metal)

Well I don't mean "innovative" as in "completely and utterly new and never seen before". I mean, something new as in "something that takes it's influences and twists them into something else and has a distinctive sound". Wouldn't you agree that you can at least tell the bands I mentioned apart from the rest of the acts within the same genres as them? I can tell a P9 song from a Funker Vogt song, I can tell an AC song apart from an Owl City song, and I could certainly tell a Shining song from a Mayhem song, you get my drift? They're not simply copying a trend and rehashing the same exact things as their contemporaries, they're changing it up a bit.

Well I don't mean "innovative" as in "completely and utterly new and never seen before". I mean, something new as in "something that takes it's influences and twists them into something else and has a distinctive sound". Wouldn't you agree that you can at least tell the bands I mentioned apart from the rest of the acts within the same genres as them? I can tell a P9 song from a Funker Vogt song, I can tell an AC song apart from an Owl City song, and I could certainly tell a Shining song from a Mayhem song, you get my drift? They're not simply copying a trend and rehashing the same exact things as their contemporaries, they're changing it up a bit.

Sure, I can agree with that.

material material material; if your just trying to be "more" than the other guys (more brutal, louder, harder edged yadda yadda yadda) you'll just be one o the pack!

Try writing some sincere material that actually means something. The Greats don't wow you with what they can do... they make you feel something!





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The Greats don't wow you with what they can do... they make you feel something!

I must nicely disagree here...to a point you're right, but it's a combination of the two where METAL is concerned.

Have you ever seen Yngwie Malmsteen live? I'm guessing, no. Yes he can make you feel something...but by the same token, he'll absolutely blow your mind with his skills and technique. Just like Niccolo Paganini, Al Demeola, Joe Satriani, Vinnie Moore, and the list goes on.

Metal fans (at least at the upper levels of progressive death metal and the like) look and listen for both at the same time. It's just how it is and will always be that way. Stepping out of the mold is something that a lot of "Nu Metal" bands can not do, so develops new and/or re-hashed genres of metal.



At the OP: Setting yourself apart from the pack is what it takes to get noticed in metal anymore, so be that as it is, that's exactly what you have to do. Plain and simple...you've got to have a different and better sounding package than those around you to even get invited out of your area to play bigger venues. I really don't see this as a hinderance, brother...but rather a blessing for me, my band, and everyone else like you guys. It just means that you have to work that much harder than everyone else to get where you really want to be. In return you become better players, more cohesive as a band, more resilient, and so on. The competition of the metal genre can be frustrating, but in the end...we all win.

The bars have been raised on every side of the Metal spectrum. I think the thing to do would be to come up with a style that nobody has ever heard before(harder to do these days). Originality is the only bar left to raise anymore. I think every dynamic thing you can think of has been done millions of times over now.

Or... You could try not being so one sided.. Music industry has forced people to pick some type of genre they feel like they belong..

The reason great bands became great bands was because they transcended genre boundries.. People ask why we don't have any new bands coming out that get the same following that say the Rolling Stones do..

Well because the Rolling stones aren't just Rock & Roll or Blues or Country or Pop they play it all..

#2 Metal sucks. It's uneventful, unchanged, and boring. Music is suppose to be about exploration of the soul, Empty Vessel, surrender to the flow, etc, etc.. It's pretty hard to be an empty vessel when you're pissed off.

#3 to the guy who thinks music is better now then it has ever been.. I laugh at your stupidity. Seriously? LOL.. Take of your Sheep Goggles.

Or... You could try not being so one sided..

#2 Metal sucks. It's uneventful, unchanged, and boring.

#3 to the guy who thinks music is better now then it has ever been.. I laugh at your stupidity. Seriously? LOL.. Take of your Sheep Goggles.

Hmm

Or... You could try not being so one sided..

#2 Metal sucks. It's uneventful, unchanged, and boring.

#3 to the guy who thinks music is better now then it has ever been.. I laugh at your stupidity. Seriously? LOL.. Take of your Sheep Goggles.

Hmm

+1

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